Catholic Guy Problems

I'm the anon that asked for evidence, and this is for the other anon: you have no idea what you're talking about... "scientism" is not a religion and therefore there is no "belief structure" to account for. If you mean that no evidence is provided, then I have no idea where you've been living for the past thousands of years. Maybe under a rock.

Anonymous

Tumblr ate an anon’s post, but I want to say that if you want to talk about empiricism and a bunch of other things,

Please watch this video now. Father Barron is such a bro.

PS: This was filmed at my diocese, and I wasn’t there. Le sigh.

Anon, this is for you:

The problem I find with "scientism", not necessarily atheism, is that it doesn't account for its own belief structure. I've also been reading some of your answers to questions and I think you are devoting too much focus into what can be empirically proven (falling into a trap). I have two videos for you to youtube: The first is humorous but proves a good point: "Why Atheists are Wrong and Ignorant. The second is: Father Barron on the Youtube Heresies (Part 1) God Bless!

Anonymous

i read a while back that atheism is bad for people because its human nature to believe in something, and atheism is the lack of believe in anything. Even hippies who believe in trees believe in something.

and i think i am devoting too much time on that. its that the first anon kept asking for prove without the “faith” aspect so i just wanted to provide a few examples. Of course we gotta keep in mind the “blessed are those who believe without seeing” and also let me make sure to state that Eucharistic Miracles have , mostly of not all, been a consequence of a lack of believe by the people.

God Bless!

-Carlos

Side note: it appears to be the typical rough fabric of the tilma, but the fabric is smooth and silky to the touch. I'd like to get the thing in a lab before we say it displays any abnormal characteristics, seems about as credible as any of the other supposedly impossible feats of art that have turned up over the centuries.

deadbrainflakes

actually i just saw that right now too!

ive never seent he tilma in person. My mom got robed at knife point when my fam lived in Mexico City so she never let me visit that city. But i plan to one day. And i know there is hierarchic and such, but i deff wished more religious articles would be allowed to be tested on. With respect of course, but as a believer, i also want to know that im not venerating a “fake”

I did a bit of searching right now, the tissue isn't so much alive as it is showing some admittedly confusing protein levels, more consistent with a living tissue than would be expected. The image on the tilma however has never undergone a full analysis. However, the reports I've been looking at indicate that it most certainly is *on* the tilma. Brushstrokes were detected in the eye region, and there's an uneven coating of primer on the image.

deadbrainflakes

as far as the biology of the miracles, im deff not a scientist. I havent even taken any college biology since my engineering courses were all physics. but the research ive done states it has unnatural characteristics that belong to living blood.

As far as the brushstrokes on the tilma, i’ve found no evidence of that but have found many times that the tilma shows the image of the bishop that is something that could not be done almost 500 years ago. even now it takes high ended technology to do so..

-carlos

Of course, even if these miracles were demonstrated to be just that, it wouldn't convince atheists such as me to get behind the god sending them. Personally it would take some major humanitarian action on god's part, not just making a few objects of religious adoration. As spiderman is so fond of saying, with great power comes great responsibility.

deadbrainflakes

okay thats a great point. Unfortunately there are many “Christians” who are not ver Christian-like at all. I myself try and be as humanitarian as possible. My parish is staffed by Scalabrinian priests who dedicate their work to help immigrants. I myself am not perfect but i try. I wonder if every Christian was truly dedicated to their faith and would show love to everyone and such, would THAT be considered a miracle? Millions of people around the world working to stop wars and corruption and all bad in the world?

In any case, even if that didnt convince every athiest, or even one, athiest, the world would deff be a better place. and yes like spideman who is one of my faves said, we Christians have alot of power in the world by just the vast numbers. So we NEED to use that power for good!

btw, i truly appreciate the kindness and truthfulness to ur comments. I truly hate hate-mail. specially when im busy =]

-Carlos

I believe the gentleman/lady is looking for evidence that every other religion on the planet can't muster in spades. About the only thing the Lanciano investigation appears to demonstrate is that human heart tissue was present. What is needed is a miraculous occurrence taking place that either leaves evidence that is truly unexplainable, or must be witnessed by more than just those with a vested interest in a religious explanation....a bishop isn't exactly a good witness for transubstantiation

deadbrainflakes

okay thats a better explination.

Lanciano shows that after more then a thousand years the blood and flesh is still bilogically alive, active! when blood looses its characteristics after just a few minutes of being outside the body.

The image of Our Lady shows that image is not really ON the canvas, but rather ON TOP or floating on the canvas. And microscopes show on her eyes the reflection of what would be the bishop and other witnesses to that miracle. Also, the canvas, which is actually a tilma, has outlasted the natural lifespan of the material that it is made of.

-Carlos

Not miracles - I mean real evidence.

Anonymous

Miracles proven by the world’s best scientist not prove? In that case i can only conclude that you are completely closed to God and thus not able to understand. Don’t know what else you would want.

God Bless.

Give me proof that your god exists. Any evidence, anything. And don't shift the burden of proof onto me. It's not the skeptic's responsibility to disprove your argument until you have made one.

Anonymous

fair enough. Look up Eucharistic miracles such as Lanciano Also, look at the true meaning behind the image of Our Lady of Guadalupe and how it came to be.

Those are just examples of supernatural occurrences that are not random, but rather, acts from God to his children.

God Bless!

-Carlos

we're all in hell, man. everything that's not heaven is hell.

Anonymous

None of the last three anons were me. But the entire point of my argument is this: why can't everyone just leave everyone else alone and let them do what they want unless it's harmful? You might say I'm being hypocritical but I only sent you that first ask because of your attitude towards those that are atheists.

Anonymous

why can’t everyone just leave everyone else alone and let them do what they want unless it’s harmful?

Abortion is always harmful to someone else, and that’s why we can’t leave it alone.

Something like gay marriage—I’m not against society making it legal, but I am against making it legal in the Catholic Church. The State should not impose on Religion like that.

Hang on, I'll re-word my question. Why is your God more valid than the Gods of other religions?

Anonymous

The God of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam is more valid because he’s the only God in those religions. To me, it makes sense that God is the only god, and He rules without competition from other gods (rather than, say, Greek gods). It makes sense that there can only be one ultimate source of goodness, one ultimate source of truth, and one ultimate source of beauty.

I understand that Hinduism may have a few things in common with the Semitic version of God, but I haven’t done enough research.

Why is Catholicism more valid than other religions?

Anonymous

As far as I know, it’s the only major religion founded exclusively by the God it believes in.

Judaism was founded by Abraham, Islam was founded by Muhammed, Buddhism was founded by Buddha, and no one knows who actually founded Hinduism. Meanwhile, Christianity was started by Jesus of Nazareth, believed to be the Christ by all those who follow him.

I think anyone religion that claims their founder is their God has a serious claim to credibility on their hands.

The Bible never says that ANYONE is in Hell. It merely states that it is a possibility. No one could be in hell for all we know. If you believe that people who commit suicide go straight to Hell, you are denying the Catholic Principle of Final Judgment.

Anonymous

Well, what we do know is that if you are in a state of mortal sin and die, you’ll go to Hell because you’ve chosen to separate yourself from God.

But that’s what Divine Mercy chaplets are for! We must pray for anyone and everyone who dies, so that God may have mercy on them instead of judging them according to their sins. Because face it, we haven’t done much to merit Heaven. So we must pray!

*Borgia. =) Have a good day!

Anonymous

fixed.